2/13/06 Newsday Article
Among themselves, Angelo Hunt, Marc Collins and Roy Frank have racked up two divorces and a legal separation, and one even delivered the hurtful news to a waiting bride - two weeks before the wedding - that their nuptials had to be called off.
"She didn't take it very well. It was hard for me also. I got very depressed," said Hunt, who had one ex-wife when he dissolved the aforementioned engagement two years ago.
Frank's divorce was a year old at the time, a hole that was just beginning to close. And Collins' marriage was drifting into the danger zone.
Wanting to unload that sack of sadness, throw off the dead weight of failure in love and matrimony, the longtime friends said, they found themselves becoming more emotionally available to each other. In their get-togethers and phone chats, they began a rolling conversation about hardships of the heart and how they might fare better the next time around.
Extending this exercise beyond their small circle, last summer they launched a traveling seminar, "For the Love of the World," in which Hunt, 52, Collins, 49, and Frank, 53, steer a public dialogue aimed at persuading aspiring mates to talk and listen, listen and talk before leaping into long-term commitment.
In the heat of hunting for Mr. Right or Mrs. Right, they counsel, figure out the level of true compatibility with that person you fear is your last romantic possibility. Ask tough questions about whether two people belong together.
"We've been socialized with these concepts of love, intimacy, that have no bearing on reality," said Collins, a network engineer from Columbia, Md., in the ninth month of separation from his wife of 18 years.
"Most of my relationships," Hunt said, "have been closed-eyes propositions. Like beating a pi?±ata and when it bursts open, saying, 'Yes, that's exactly what I wanted.'"
"We're not always clear about our motivations," said Collins, who is Frank's cousin. "I might say I'm looking for happiness and intimacy, when, really, I'm just looking for my mama."
Hunt, Frank and Collins have dubbed this show The FLOW, in shorthand, and taken their common-sense approach to romance to venues ranging from radio stations in Washington, D.C., to living rooms on Long Island. Their topics: "What Is Love?," "Man Sharing," "Are You Ready for a Relationship?," "When to Pull the Plug" and, on a level far less salacious than the oversimplified title implies, they said, "Why Men Cheat."
They've built a Web site, www.buildandmaintain.com. This month, they are on the calendars of New York City's Human Resources Administration, where they will engage members of that staff. In July, they will be panelists at the Harlem Book Fair.
It's not that Hunt, Frank and Collins approach love and romance as experts on these subjects. Consider this from Frank, a sales and marketing guy from Clifton Park, N.J.: "I don't know what love is maybe. I do know that, to an extent, men in relationships feel they cannot be in love with someone unless there is sexual intimacy - but I'm not saying that's right."
"We don't agree on everything here," Collins said, interjecting and tweaking. "Love is not sex, and it is not possession of another person, either. Love should set you free. But with most people I see, love is a constricting, confining force."
None of them has been an exemplar of marital/relational perfection. But what they have, they said, is a willingness to examine why they hooked up with women who looked the part (whatever that means) and didn't live up to it. And, on the flip side, how they might have short-changed those women.
As part of their on-the-job training, they do read the personals to gauge what seems to matter most these days. The single person's wish list carries requirements for income, height, weight, extroversion, introversion and a range of other personal characteristics.
"You must have all your teeth, wear shoes, be educated, be well-traveled, charming, no baby-mama drama. You must know how to treat a woman. And there's nothing wrong with that...," Hunt said. "But people engage in relationships as though it's all hocus-pocus. What are the goals of that relationship? Is it supposed to be monogamous? Does it culminate in marriage? Are there any goals?"
Clearerheaded now, the men said, they believe the pursuit of Mr. Right and Mrs. Right might cool its heels some. It should be motivated by something more than "I'm getting older and I don't want to be alone," Frank said. "Because of what we've gone through, we know this is true."
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I applaude your efforts to enlighten the world...it would seem you are fulfilling and living a life of purpose. Your honest candor and insight is most engaging. Angelo dear heart my apologies, my coal is still in a state of being chipped. Although, for the moment I am a diamond in the rough, my voice has not lost the ability to still calm a raging sea. Best wishes and regards. Grace, peace and love.
Thanks for accompanying me on my journey...
"...what ever the road, I have learned that the roads best traveled are the ones in the company of good friends" ~Rochelle J'~
Now-a-days marriage is sort of a joke. Especially with celebrities, they are the biggest colpritof marriages gone bad. People are marring younger and have been with a person for a shorter amount of time when the marriage topic comes up. I have been with my boyfirend for 4 years and we lived together for 1 year. Even though we think we will marry each other in the future, we are not ready to do that now, or maybe not at all in the future. I still think we need a couple more years together before marrying. We do have our fair share of fights but that is a relationship, you aren't going to agree all the time, but I feel people just result in divorce rather than trying to mend the relationship, whether its going to counseling or whatever. I feel people just jump into a divorce.
We have these idyllic concepts of love and marriage, most likely appropriated from an advertizing campaign or some love song or movie that have nothing to do with reality. Marriage as it is currently practiced in too many instances does not take us where we say we want to go. This is confirmend by the dismal statistics for divorce and relationships in general.
Marriage is an instition, a symbol, a public declaration of a spiritual committment that occurs between the souls of a man and a woman, at least in most states. Marriage does not transform two people, they, in my opinion transform the marriage. It is the people that make it work. However, if the necessary work, required of any relationship, is not done, and there are many examples of what's entailed on this site, then marriage becomes an empty slogan.
Marriage should enable and allow us to become the best version of thenmselves, not mire the particiants in unfulfilled expectations and hopelessness. We must trasncend the plethora of relationship cliches that we live and hope by and look within to begin to create meaningfulness with another individual.
I was married for twenty two years and I came to one conclusion. When we get married we are usually attracted by the physical attributes and the lust it brings. But what we really need and desire cannot be seen, it can only be learned. What we are doing is feeling our way around blindfolded, sometimes the journey is mutual and the marriage works and sometimes what we thought we wanted from the other person never surfaces. Before two people marry, each person should discuss what his / her expectations are. Both couples need to make sure that they're are not getting married just because of the ceremony.